I purchased the New Web Traffic Web Traffic Blueprint v2.0 because of this very reason and am totally happy and by implementing the steps, was some of the first money I had seen in my inter webs adventure.

I see where you are coming from and can understand your frustration e.g. Who to trust, which tools to use, etc.

If you research Matt Cutts, he actually has videos on youtube telling you what to put in titles, discussing backlinks, and the like and to use Video sitemaps as I suggested.

So they are happy for you to optimize your pages, and to get backlinks, but of course they dont want you to use black hat, which is fair enough.

The thing is with spinning Richard, if done properly google have NO IDEA the content is spun! Thats the beauty.

It should also be remembered that Google do not “own” the internet – They are not the police and it’s not against the law to use whatever tools you want (unless you start hacking people, etc).

You do realise Google uses this information against us right? e.g. Go into your gmail account and take a look at the ads to the right of your emails. Google READS YOUR EMAIL and serves up ads based on your EMAILS CONTENT.

How nice of them to do that! So they are very much “doing it to us” (and making a pile of money in the process). Good on them I say.

Yes I agree the label black hat is vague and does change, although generally something blackhat does not become grey or white hat, it generally stays the same, but just becomes irrelevant and no longer works and people forget about it.

Our focus with our tools we develop and sell are “time savers” to save real minutes and hours or even days of work compared to doing something manually.

Regards

Tim

But I do not look at things so “black and white.” If anything, my problem is that all I see are shades of gray.

The marketers I am thinking of, believe me, are a lot more than just teachers or salespeople.

I use one of your tools, and I do not think your tools are blackhat — but I was not speaking of my opinion.

I have never seen anyone at Google comment on your specific tools or what they think of them, but the last time I looked, Google said they pretty much don’t want you doing anything artificial to enhance your SEO. Either that, or I simply don’t understand what’s being said — a possibility, I suppose.

Spinning, I believe, no matter how well done, might not get Google’s full approval. Turning every post into an RSS feed might not either. I don’t know. I’m just saying.

Your points in your post were quite valid. I wasn’t arguing with them. What I was thinking and should’ve said is that what seems to work well seems to depend a lot on the niche, how transitory the market is, the combination of strategies one uses, and so forth.

I guess my real point should’ve been that black hat is kinda in the eye of the beholder, and what is and is not widely considered to be black hat changes over time. I just don’t think a condemnation of black hat, without explaining what your definition of black hat is, is all that helpful.

Every marketer I know tries to do what works. When any particular technique — black hat, white hat, or gray — stops working, they stop soon thereafter, regroup and try another approach.

In the end, folks who are going to stay in the money are going to do what works — at least up to the point that it is still legal — whether it is whitehat, blackhat or gray.

I am not sure where you are coming from, but unfortunately you are not correct. Most of our tools we recommend and use are not blackhat even in Googles eyes.

I’ve watched videos on youtube for example where matt cutts from Google says if you use video you should use video sitemaps to get your videos more discoverable in Googles eyes. Does that make the Video Traffic Genius (a tool to do just that) that we developed and sell black hat?

Of course not, and I can quote many other examples.

Spinning if done correctly leaves no footprints and is unique content.

Tools like Senuke X can give you great results that survive long term rankings in Google if you use them properly.

If you are getting great results from what you are doing now, then don’t change what you are doing.

Otherwise be option to change things and get them working for yourself.

Also what is your definition for “successful” marketers? Teachers? Or those in the trenches doing it day by day? (We do both incidentally).

Many of the so called successful Internet Marketers AKA guru’s are nothing but salespeople, and I do not call those people successful at all.

My recommendation is for you to not look at everything so “black and white” but rather see any tool can be used for good or bad and that there is more than one way to succeed online with Googles blessings.

Regards

Tim

I hear from the most successful marketers there are that SenukeX works great. I hear from other very successful marketers it is a waste of time.

Likewise, I hear spinning is pointless, again from the best marketers around, and I hear it is a necessity from others just as successful.

And finally, as for not liking blackhat, your products and everything you recommend is blackhat according to Google — because spokespersons for Google have said, more than once, that anything that is done, other than good, unique content, that is for the purpose of trying to improve SEO is bad. Anything at all. In other words, it’s pretty much ALL blackhat as far as Google is concerned.

You have misread the entire article! we are NOT recommending to do that at all.

A quote from the post

“We believe you are wasting your time and money investing in a complete automated solution because ultimately it’s going to be flagged and your content will get deleted. It’s just a matter of time.”

Spinning does have it’s place though, just not in a completely automated manner with no regards for quality or uniqueness of the content.

Regards

Tim

I see now market samurai has a new article submission tool but as I understand they have permission to submit to their own partners.

I have a habit of wanting to take things a part right down to the very core. I’m going to keep a close eye on how this plays out so please keep us informed. I have been following you guys for some time and I appreciate all the great info.

James

I was a member of your course a few years ago and I thought it was excellent.